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Posted: 14 August 2009 at 7:54pm | IP Logged Quote 1lowtoy

Hay gang Im new here My name is Travis and im looking to get a recumbent tadpole style trike. I have been trying to find somthing that fits me well and is comfortable and i only found one that i like so far but cant bring my self to buy it due to the way i was treated by the companys owner on the phone. Im teying to keep my purchase 2k and under. I have rode many and cant seem to find any at my local dealers i like. Does any one have any suggestions. I was in a sever ATV accident and my doctors have told me that im not to ride a mountain bike any more but suggested a recumbent. So here i am im a heavy guy now since ive not been able to be as active as i used to. Im 5'11" and 260 lbs so i need a really sturdy Trike. If any one has any suggestions i would greatly appricate them.

 

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Posted: 15 August 2009 at 5:35am | IP Logged Quote Larry K

Hi, Travis, and welcome,

No post is long-winded when it answers as many questions up front as yours did.

There is one more piece of information that will help us suggest places where you can test ride at least one brand of trike, though, if you feel comfortable telling us -- where do you live?  We live all over the country and have done pretty well in the past with naming shops in various metro areas or regions where new riders or almost-riders can go to check out the experience before writing the check.

All trike manufacturers list a maximum rider weight in their PR materials.  260 is toward the upper end of the scale for some tadpoles, but I think you'll find yourself inside the envelope for most models.  You will want to check this figure when you are ready to make your choice, though, just to make sure you're not voiding the warranty.

Almost all new riders ask Forum members about tadpoles first, probably because they look so striking.  While you're looking around, though, I suggest you leave the door open on deltas.  There are some very impressive ones out there that deserve to be seriously considered, and their prices are very competitive.  (This comes from a tadpole rider).

So -- by all means, keep writing, and let us know how things turn out.

Larry K

PS: I try to give every new member a personal "Welcome Aboard," but as I stated in another post, I've been under the weather lately.  I'm going back through the recent posts now to try to catch up.  Here's a collective "nice to have you with us" to all those who joined in the past couple of months.
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Posted: 15 August 2009 at 5:40am | IP Logged Quote altozwei

Which trike model do you like? If we know which one you like (but don't want
to buy) it will make it easier to recommend something comparable.

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Posted: 15 August 2009 at 8:03am | IP Logged Quote RadiationKing

 Hey Travis  !  Welcome to the adicting world of trikes ! 

I have very few  complaints with my Terratrike path eight. I got it from a company in Payson Utah ( I live WAY up north in Edmonton, Alberta ) The company deals only in trikes and I found the staff to be very friendly and helpfull.   Perhaps you should look at the Terratrike Quad, maded by UtahTrikes. As I understand it , the frame can support more weight than a tadpole. Either that or a delta frame. Tell us what your needs are and what you intend to do with your trike ( ie: gearing, cargo capacticy, steering type, casual city riding VS iron man offroading ) I find trikes highly variable and customizable . Each and every one is different as we tweak and upgrade them to suit our needs. This is what led me to buy a TT Path 8. I wanted a nice basic model with lots of potential for upgrading. It has been an incredible learning experience as I learn more and more about tricycle mechanics and phsycs. It took me nearly three months of doing research before I settled on my model. I had to delve into forums just like this one to find what I liked and what I didn't ( I poo on direct steering, I find it too stiff and the twisting motion feels alien to me)



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Posted: 15 August 2009 at 10:06am | IP Logged Quote kevinh

Hi Travis. I second the advice on the delta models. The new Sun EZ3
models look pretty sharp. I have the older steel ladder frame version
and its extremely comfortable and ridable. The aluminum frame comes
with better components and should fit your price range for a new one.
Good luck and welcome.

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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:18pm | IP Logged Quote 1lowtoy

Well I live in Ft. Wayne Indiana and i have 2 bike shops here in town and tried all there recumbants. I Really liked the action bent cause of how easy they were to steer and didnt bump steer at high speeds but if the owner (Steve) of the company is going to treat me the way he did on the phone, because i want to be knowledagble on there products before a purchase then i dont want to deal with them. I have tried all the sun trikes and really wasnt impressed at all the ez tadpole jerks the steering as you pedal and at speeds over 7mph there all over the place and jerk you all around with every bump. I did like the terra trike cruiser but the flimsey steering drive sorta bothered me but if you guys think there well enough built i may go with one of them. the proablem is that is all i have withing a 150 mile radious i think. if any ones got any other ideas it would be great to here your input.

 

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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 5:12pm | IP Logged Quote 1lowtoy

Any one around sorry it took me so long to reply i was back at the doctors for another round of injections and theropy. If any one has any ideas of where i should start im up for any sugestions.

 

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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 6:52pm | IP Logged Quote Larry K

I'd like to reply to your observations, Lowtoy, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say.  I'll content myself with a few general comments and maybe your answer will help me focus more on your specific issues.

By and large, tadpole trikes are just twitchier on the road than deltas.  This has to do with the steering: there's not much leverage in tadpole steering, whether it's direct or yoke: a little movement of the handlebars produces a considerable movement of the wheels.  I'm not aware of a method to dampen this down, you just have to learn to drive one like a race car.

My trike is not direct steering, but it stands to reason that of the two types of tadpole steering, this is the fastest: there's not even the fore-and-aft movement of the yoke to spread steering input out.  But I've never heard a complaint about it from a member of the Forum.  Once you have the feel, you have the feel.

As for "flimsy" steering on Terra Trikes, please say more: I have a Terra Trike and I can use the steering yoke to lower myself into the seat; seems like a pretty solid piece of equipment from what I can tell.  I have also gone screaming down some pretty decent hills over winding roads with oncoming traffic and never felt the steering was anything but solid as a rock.

Deltas, on the other hand, particularly those with above-the-seat-steering, tend to steer a little slower: a little movement of the handlebars produces a little movement of the front wheel.  I've never heard a delta rider complain that the steering is too slow: it's just slower than with most tadpoles.

I do have to say one thing: the steering in any trike is a world away from the steering in any bike!  Recumbents, both two- and three-wheeled, require a little getting used to.  Fortunately, it's not usually too long: a couple of days should do it, maybe a week.

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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 8:59pm | IP Logged Quote 1lowtoy

The only trike i didnt like the steering on was the sun ez tad. the only reason i was worried about the streangth of the terra is the dealer i test rode one at said to absolutly put no other force on the stearing other than the pressure to turn. Personally out of all the trikes ive rode so far the terra cruiser seems to be the best. I rode a sun for several miles and every nook and crack and bump it felt as if it was going out of controll and that was at only a moderate speed. But as i said i do like the terra trike but was conserned that there local dealer told me i couldnt put any waight at all on the steering controll. I actually liked the Terra Trike Cruiser allot but was afraid of possiably damaging it due to getting in and out of it and the nerve damage i have in my spine. Somtimes left leg is sometimes not there at all i just cant feel it and i stmbel or lose balance and i didnt want somthing flimsey, when even there own sales rep is telling me they cant take much force. If i would stumbel getting in or out and land on it i wouldnt want to brake it. I am no little guy either so thats where my problem is with the terra. But if you all think there well made for a entry level Tad i think this is what im going to go with. I was a fabricater for a living before my accident and still have many tools like lathe mill welders and so in so i guess if somthing would become a issue ill just make it stronger but didnt want to have to deal with things like that for some time. Thanks Larrry if you like your and think its a solid bike and you dont think the steering drive gear is week im may just go with it. Thank you very much for your input.

 

Travis



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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 3:21am | IP Logged Quote myksav

Hi Travis, I'm not familiar with the Terra trikes themselves but I wouldn't be too concerned about the strength, or percieved lack, of the steering yoke, the yokes are pretty strong on trikes. I wouldn't use them to support all my weight but I do occassionaly partially support my weight getting on and off with no problems.

Trikes are exceptionally strong for having so little to them, here's a picture of what a 1 ton car does when it clips the front wheel axle at about 45-50mph from behind. I was stopped when it happened. The centre spine of the frame is straight, the damage took place at the weld points. (not exactly a steering yoke problem though)

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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 5:12am | IP Logged Quote Larry K

Thanks, Travis, those comments are helpful as I try to understand your concerns.  Just a couple more comments and I'll step aside for other Forum members.  Nice to see that Mike has already jumped in.

-- "the only reason i was worried about the streangth of the terra is the dealer i test rode one at said to absolutly put no other force on the stearing other than the pressure to turn."

I suppose I could understand a dealer cautioning a new rider that the yoke is not as sturdy as a frame member, and thus he shouldn't put his entire weight on it while mounting/dismounting.  He has his demo model to watch out for, after all, but it would also make sense if a rider had a handicap with balance or coordination.  However, it's not quite true that you can put "absolultely no other force . . . other than the pressure to turn" on them.

What I can tell you is that when mounting I stand in front of the crossbar, squat and reach behind me to the handlebars, squeeze the brakes, and settle back onto the seat in a controlled fall.  This is how I mount now that I've had some practice.

In the beginning, I reached back and locked the brakes.  (If you have balance problems and you want to ride a tadpole, strongly consider installing locking brakes: they will make riding much, much easier for you, especially in the first year while you're getting the overall feel of the machine.)  Then, instead of putting weight on the yoke, I could reach behind me and grab the seat frame.  That will take all the weight you need to put on it: after all, it's going to do that while you're riding anyway.  With the brakes locked, the trike isn't going anywhere while you're letting yourself down.  (Other Forum members have held the trike in place with light wooden chocks around one of the wheels or by backing the trike into a curbstone -- anything to keep it from rolling while you settle into the seat or get yourself up out of it.)

Now, with my couple of years of practice behind me, I continue to squeeze the brakes and simply let myself fall back.  Perhaps forty pounds of my body weight is taken by the handlebars on the way.  Of course, I want to be careful how I do this, but I do not consider the yoke so fragile that only steering forces can be applied.

In a larger sense, though, you will have this "what to do with my weight" problem with any tadpole: it just goes with the design, no matter what kind of steering you have.  You have to do an extreme squat to mount, and the crossbar keeps your feet from being under you as you do it, so you will always be off-balance.

Deltas are easier for those with balance problems to mount/dismount, and this is the reason I suggested not ruling them out at the beginning of your trike hunt.  One step over the center bar and it's just a matter of settling onto the seat.  The feet are able to carry the rider's weight all the way down and he or she can move as slowly or as quickly as is needed.  And the rider can squeeze the brakes without having to support weight with the hands as well.

Regarding the Sun EZ, I've never ridden one so I can't comment on quality.  I do note, though, that Bent Rider Online (pretty good pub for recumbent riders, from what I've seen) has a review of it at:

http://www.bentrideronline.com/reviews/EZTadpole/eztadpole.h tm

I did notice the comment that the Sun is the most adjustable tadpole out there.  The ability to adjust it to your exact body geometry might cover a multitude of other shortcomings -- but that's just a passing thought, and as I said, I've never ridden one.

I remember when my wife and were moving from upright bikes to recumbent bikes in 2001; and from bikes to trikes in 2006.  Like you, we had a lot of choices to make, and we had to put some thought into what we wanted.  Those were exciting times: we envy you!

All the best,

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Posted: 31 August 2009 at 3:31pm | IP Logged Quote kevinh

Hi Travis,

I ride an EZ3 Delta and have not yet ridden a tadpole so I can't speak for them (although I think others have done a great job describing them). As Larry said, you just step over the frame and lower yourself  into the seat. They do come with a brake lock which is handy but not really necessary for this style. Mounting and dismounting is pretty simple.

As to the steering I would agree that it's a little sluggish and awkward at slow speeds and can be twitchy at higher speeds, but then I didnt buy the trike to jet, if you know what I mean. I think it's similar to riding a long wheel base two wheel recumbent...you have to think about where your knees are. My one other thought on this would be that I would have liked to get the AX with a twenty inch front wheel instead of the sixteen inch as I believe it would be more stable. I believe Peabob has the AX and from what he has said in the past, its pretty stable. Also, because the delta is higher from the ground than a tad it can feel a little tipsy if you crank the bars over too fast.

That said, I really like my delta-its comfortable and very easy to ride and it's a little more visible, which for me in this town is somewhat important. I'm sure I will buy something else eventually, but that's the nature of recumbent riding, there's lots to choose from.



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Posted: 23 November 2009 at 11:40am | IP Logged Quote RadiationKing

 

 Hey Lowtoy.  Like the others, let me assure you that the handle bars are solid enough to assist with entry and exit of the trike. I too enter my trike by standing over the crossbar, squating down and grabbing the handlebars into a controlled flop ( like what most of us do on the couch )  and for exiting , I place my hands on the handle bars and roll forward into a stand. Terra Trike was my first choice because it was a good quality trike with lots of space for cargo racks, my trailer, lights, bell, horn, and computer and sensors. The seat was highly adjustable and it came with a rear hub ( to increase the ground clearance ) .

Getting used to the steering took about an hour. I work in a small warehouse and it was the middle of our quiet season when my trike was delivered and I spent the afternoon zooming around the warehouse and the parking lot outside. My coworker had so much fun riding mine that he ordered a trike of his own the next day ( a KMX ) 

 I hope you take the plunge and get a trike. Its a completely different experience than that of a bike.

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Posted: 03 December 2009 at 8:59am | IP Logged Quote pfdavis

Hi, All.  I've been reading for a couple of weeks, and decided to join.  I borrowed an old TerraTrike (v3.2?) over the summer, and that got me completely hooked.  I'm now working out what I want to buy in early 2010.

I live in the Boston area, and would like to ride as much of the year as possible.  That means I'll want something that can handle wet leaves, occasional frozen puddles, and maybe even real ice and snow.  I welcome any suggestions on what to get for various weather conditions.

My current thinking is a TerraTrike Cruiser with the 26" rear wheel upgrade.  I know I can get studded snow tires in 26" size, and that might be good for handling the weather.  I would also want fenders, but I'm not sure how that will work over a studded tire.  I don't know how much clearance the fenders allow.

I've enjoyed reading all your posts, and look forward to chatting with you more.

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Hi pd, fenders shouldn't be a problem with studded tires, on the rear just set the fender farther out on the stays for more clearance. The front fender supports should have some adjustment vertically to clear the tire. The fender/mudguard I got is this one. http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/trikes/accessories.htm#FrontMudguar ds

They're designed for up to 2 inch tires on a 20" (406) wheel but could be raised with shims under the mounting on the steering point if needed. Though, if snow acts anything like mud, the snow could build up on the tire and jam in the fender. (sorry about the large size of the pic don't know how to re-size them)

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Posted: 04 December 2009 at 7:28am | IP Logged Quote pfdavis

Thanks, Myksav.  I confess I hadn't even considered snow build-up.  I was just thinking about not having the fender mauled by the studs.  I guess the fender mounting should be pretty sturdy to stand up to wet snow.  Looks like the fenders on your Trice are pretty solid.

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Posted: 05 December 2009 at 4:43am | IP Logged Quote myksav

Hi pd, no prob. Setting the fender high would clear any tire studs. Mud, tar and road chippings would be my equivalent of sticky snow, west cork being famous for snow. The liquid variety.

The pic above is from the ICE website, here's a pic of my Steintrikes right'hand' fender.

Couldn't afford a Trice at the start.  The fenders are just thermoplastic blades, flexible on their own but the brackets are solid alu alloy 4mm thick.

http://picasaweb.google.com/myksav/NewTrikePics# for more pics.

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